What’s the best price you have found for the 645M? Is there no gesture control, etc? Do these watches have a pre-defined (or user-adaptable) watchface that shows date+time, steps + climbed floors? I am the Vivoactive 3-owning, lifestyle customer customer being targeted. 4) If money wasn’t the object and you were looking for a 24/7er, what would you pick between the 4s and the Venu? I like the more sports activities on the VA4 but what I have seen in the reviews that the trainings status on the 645 is something thats very nice and motivating and helping to improve and not overpace. Does anyone know if the Vivoactive 4 has support for audible, the audiobook provider? thx I would really like to get some suggestions. link to firstbeat.com. It does not have custom watch faces and applications from Garmin’s app store. Has it been supplanted by the Venu review? Appreciate it! You can see for this short 27 minute run, it was 163ml of liquid (lower right hand corner of right screenshot): Ultimately, I suspect for most customers of the Vivoactive series units, this probably isn’t too much of a concern. Once I’ve got a final firmware version (one they’re shipping to consumers with), then I’ll circle back with a typical full in-depth review. Trying to get the tap to register is so, so, SO frustrating! I am curious of the VA4 compares to the 245. Happy to take some hints form the audience, as it also amazing how much knowledge and experience is there. – Added Respiration Rate for all-day and sleep metrics (and certain workout types) When you have a river of size of 1 pixel, it looks like pond and detail is needed when hunting completely off grid, so pixel resolution is very important for maps, not so much for heart beet rate. Long press brings up the Controls Menu. Then check out the massive list of everything, from $150 off the Garmin Fenix 6, plus big deals on Apple, GoPro, Suunto, Polar, Samsung, Withings, and many more! The documentation is severely lacking about Strava Segments. So in efforts to combat the amount of emails I need to sort through on a daily basis, I’ve complied this “My Photography Gear” post for your curious minds! Correct, VA4S is indeed already shipping. The battery drains super fast when she is sleeping. That said, my watch is already starting to crap out after a year and I’m wondering whether buying another Garmin is really a good idea based on my experience. And now I found this watch. I tried to search the comments below for this question, and I didn’t see anyone asking. GREAT! Garmin Connect and Strava are not working yet with these new devices. But today I generate a fit file of a segment and put manually in my Fenix Chronos. The lack of sound alerts was pretty annoying on the Vivo3m. Good post, thank you very much. Another question. I’m getting annoyed at how segmented Garmin is. Hi Ray They need to enable PM support, its 2020, that was premium feature circa 2012. Still, I liked the sleep tracking of the VA3 better than my current, so I will likely still buy the new one… just don’t care about music at all. That’s a lot more than inflation. I did a two hour mostly flat rollerski workout, 23 laps, minor change in elevation, and I checked with atmospheric pressure same time, it also dropped 1 mb, so if I take into account that, then it was perfectly precise! I’ve sorted it all by world geography, in an attempt to make it easy to figure out where I’ve been. It´s more an update then a real enhancement. I think I have answered my own question. I don’t believe we’re at the point where there’s a codebase limitation on the Vivoactive watches that this matters. You'll support the site, and get ad-free DCR! Under What’s New in both the VA4 and Venu articles, there’s a bullet point that says “Workout tracking of range of sports including running, cycling, pool swimming, skiing, golf, gym and many more (full list down below)”, but then you never list them. That’s an interesting example. I am little into running and want to improve more but not becoming a pro. So, I bought one.. Here’s an example side by side of the weather widget on the Vivoactive 4 and the Venu. That’s another weird choice by Garmin, as the other “compatible” devices are all in the FR_45 series. Smart Trainers Buyers Guide: Looking at a smart trainer this winter? Edge Explore devices are not Strava Live Segments compatible. Which one do you suggest I should get? 47 mm would be perfect with 1.4″ display. Hi! No ECG, no offline maps, no Sapphire , Titanium, no LTE… IMO, music on a watch great for runners who do not want to carry a bulky phone. – Added ability to design Yoga workouts in Garmin Connect: Complete with step by step pose animations This is the pinnacle of Garmin chest straps, and includes dual ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart, Swimming support, Running Dynamics, as well as back-fill of HR/Steps/Intensity Minutes/Calories if not wearing the watch in certain sports. – Training calendar support I’ve actually got an Apple watch second edition that I use as my primary alarm now because it lets me get up without waking up my significant other for early morning runs and swims. I tested Garmin Fenix 5 series several times and 1.2 ” screen with offline topographic maps is completely useless for me and all of my friends, so I don’t see a point from Garmin. That list just so happens to be the most expensive Garmin devices – so here's our pick of our favorite Garmin watches, all of which play nicely with Strava. Also note that like the two Venu & Vivoactive 4 watches, my two posts on these watches at this point are incredibly similar. You will of course need to sync workout data to the Coros app first, but it's one of the quickest at doing it based on experience. As current owner of VA3 music, nothing with VA4 excites me exc. What are your least favorite countries/places? now that the VA4 is announced I am not sure which one to get. If that’s the case (but certainly not saying my choices aren’t good for women), and you just want to see a different gear junkies “picks”, check out The Girl’s 2018 Gear Guide too. Garmin Connect Programvare er elsk eller hat, enten det er snakk om Windows og Mac OS, Android og iOS, eller hva som helst annet. To clarify: Single press bring up the Sport Menu. I think it likely depends on the popularity of which model you chose. In general, the above run roughly matches what I see for the Vivoactive 4 in terms of GPS tracks. Sure, the Vivoactive 3 music started off around $300 when it first launched, but that was some 15 months ago. I was considering the 245 but the lack of altimeter really annoys me, as I already have a 235. The Vantage V and Vantage M watches also integrate with the former getting the Live Segments treatment. ... Strava Live Segments. Kate. Thanks! If 654M would have a 46-47 mm diameter version then things would have been much easier for me. This solves the problem, and means you can take a cheap Fitbit like the Inspire HR for your sleep tracking, and use a different running device. People buying expensive watches like the 600 series, but not getting new features lesser wactces get. Sadly, because the Courses feature doesn’t make it to Vivoactive 4, Venu or Forerunner 45, those devices won’t get the new update. Correct, no TE values on any of my VA4/Venu workouts. The VA3 is so bad at elevation, that this (more or less) would be the only reason to change to the VA4. I cover all the units to buy (and avoid) for the 2020-2021 indoor training season. Again, in my full review I’ll go through more data sets and dive into all the nuances. They updated some specs, but asked much more. In a previous comment, I mentioned that I had ordered the Vivoactive 4S, but that I assumed it was a mistake on Garmin’s website since all of the other models aren’t available for another 4-5 weeks. Is that in Aus? Conoce quiénes son nuestros colaboradores y qué herramientas están creando para ayudarte en tu misión de superarte día tras día. The only advantage Apple has is its 3rd party apps! Looking to upgrade from a Vivoactive HR which has served me well but is getting a bit long in the tooth after 3 years. It has a new HR sensor, check. Does the VA4 retain the touch up/down slider on the opposite side of the buttons??? My full long-term in-depth review of the Garmin Vivoactive 4/4S is over here, with tons of accuracy data and months of testing.Dive in! I was looking forward to this watch until I saw the price. It's become my go-to speed sensor. I have started to use strava routes recently an excellent utility that they have, but can't seem to access the routes I have created on my watch. That’d be like me complaining that they put in menstrual tracking just because I’ll never use it… but that would be a ridiculous comment to make because these watches are made for more people than just myself. Thanks again We only use the watches to track effort in regards to heart rate/distance/pace; oh, true, and to keep an eye on the time. I read another reviewer who said the same thing: “The Captain Marvel Special Edition Smartwatch (40mm) and First Avenger Special Edition Smartwatch (45mm) are design riffs on the VivoActive 4, and have the same features, plus new watch faces, two special bands (leather and silicone) and cases, and apps that have Marvel-themed challenges. No power meter support in the Vivo product line. It looks rather difficult to choose between VA4 and 645M. Is there an option anywhere to adjust your sweat rate so Garmin makes better predictions? When creating a custom strength workout in connect and you include both reps and weight can you edit those reps and weight when actually performing the workout on the watch. Though you will have to pay for the luxury for some of Strava's best features like creating routes or seeing matched runs and rides data. I can only assume this is a firmware bug. I’m thinking of buying 4S for my own ‘The Girl’ who really got into running this year. But where it could be more interesting is on the higher end watches (which it’s coming to shortly) in terms of longer endurance workouts. Let’s pick a Pilates workout, first by going to the sport menu and choosing Pilates: And then by swiping up to ‘Workouts’. Ontvang een melding wanneer je het begin van een segment nadert en kijk tijdens de rit hoe je presteert in vergelijking met je PR, je dichtstbijzijnde Strava-vriend of de aanvoerder van het klassement. The list of differences is long. I’ve mostly been focusing on the Venu & Apple Watch. It's dual ANT+/Bluetooth Smart, and in fact dual-Bluetooth Smart too, in case you need multiple connectons. So other sports activities would also be in my range as amateur and fun sports like. If you’re trying to decide which unit to buy – check out my in-depth reviews section. I would hope for the same ultimate meaning here. Feature-wise they’re identical. Pressure sensor seems now much more reliable. Finding a Strava compatible running watch isn't too hard, so have a good think about your budget and needs. Doesn’t work with Strava Live Segments I bought this to use for Strava Live Segments. I’m curious if you ever decided on a watch, as I am currently debating between these three (FR245M, FR645M and VA4) myself. I gave up. No updates in two years and was hoping for a new release this month. And how large are the fonts? – Added Workout Animation functionality: For Strength, Cardio, Yoga, Pilates However, don't forget you can track runs using Connected GPS (from your phone) on the likes of the Inspire 2, Inspire HR, and Fitbit Versa 2 as well. The fact that Running Power isn’t included with VA 3 though it has barometer is killing me, and I hope they corrected that mistake with 4/4S. Yikes. . Looking for the equipment I use day to day? Should I wait for the VA4 or get the offer on the 645music? GPS chipset in VivoActive 4 can only GPS satellite navigation or even Galileo, Glonass, etc.? No problem, here's the platform I use - you can too! Minimum is 1.35″ now, but I will buy 1.39″ ~ 1.4″, no less, so my options are limited, but there are options and new one is coming very soon. The point being, things will likely get better, but as always, it’s plausible they don’t. Have you done a comparison between older Apple watches and Vivosmart on a price equivalence basis? Also, if the VA4 has a barometric altimeter like the VA3, did Garmin add a hiking widget to the sports list? When will the full in-depth review of the Vivoactive 4 be available? Plus, you'll be more awesome. Will the VA4 support Training Effect and / or Training Load metric? Will the 645 compared to the VA4 be outdated soon? But the Garmin just jumps straight into full hard rock mode. Strava Routes on Garmin Vivoactive 4? The 245 has it beat in too many other features/updates the 645 won’t get. I don’t know off-hand is the VA4 is actively shipping or not. So you can get something a little more stylish that will also track your workouts. My weather app stays in “waiting for data” and all my location services are on. link to firstbeat.com – Vivoactive 4S is 40mm and includes a color touchscreen display Just a lightweight watch. That means you get full Strava Segments, KOM and records. I have powered off the watch and the phone. You can still pick it up from other retailers. I tested that today again. – Added hydration tracking to manually track liquid intake with widget and app – Added Estimated Sweat Loss post-workout The lap button is a great decision. So I tried locking the screen at night. Just because YOU don’t use it, doesn’t mean other people don’t. I get the 645 is more of an in-between watch, but still. If you got any hands-on, did they fix the display issues? Av heart rate 89. Hence I will wait and see. But I´d like to add some myself (like a 30/20/10 cycle etc. While many of the new features are within the general aspects of the watch (like hydration), a huge pile of them are technically under sports (including the breathing features I talked about in the previous section). Also, i played with fenix 6 and it seems that there is not way to shutdown HR elevate sensor. Automatically Sync with Garmin Connect. Just got the 6X as my daily driver. I am pleased that nothing major really happened and i will be able to stick with my watch for a little bit more. The question is abou strava live segments on Fenix 5. So you know you are getting an accurate GPS when purchasing a Garmin watch. We're also big fans of the analysis. The HR plots are impossible to read even if you ‘zoom in’. Do the First Avenger and Captain Marvel models have the guts of the VA4 in a different package? I’ve tried my Garmin 735, but every time the vibration goes off it startles me awake and just puts me in a bad mood for the morning. Finally, the last new feature to touch on is sweat loss. However, if you are a Strava power user, buying a top end device will bag you things like Live Segments. My VA3 is far too receptive and I’m often finding the screen has reset itself to a different background or my music starts randomly playing because my sleeve has set it off! But there have been plenty of others including Adidas and Polar that have tackled this. Two final requests: We’ll have to see what the market thinks. No audible beeps. En Garmin, nos asociamos con empresas realmente increíbles que nos ayudan a hacer realidad funciones avanzadas e innovadoras diseñadas para que disfrutes más de tus pasiones y conseguir que estés encantado con tu dispositivo Garmin. Coming from the Forerunner series I do miss the audible beep, but at least the vibration is strong on this watch. Seems $50 too dear. It uses buttons only rather than buttons and a touch screen. Strava really makes it easy to dive into looking at your performance levels, and in our experience, does a better job of showing improvement than many of its rivals. Pace pro coming to the 945series and 245 but not 645. I love your in depth reviews. Even if I want to delete it, I can just delete it after it was saved. Today Garmin announced the new Vivoactive 4 & 4S watches, within a pile of different color/material variants. Ahh yes, the good ol’ classic evening fall run chest strap lack of connectivity (despite wetting it). I don’t know how to delete it, but FWIW, this is not my girl, it’s my bro before we went on a long swim along the Brighton Beach, with 735xt on my hand. So, my only question is – DOES IT HAVE SAME PROBLEM with BARO sensor as VA3, or is it any better now?! In your opinion, are the running functions in this watch enough for someone like me? It’s rare, but this night was more akin to a fall evening than a summer one, with cooler temps, and you can see that green line of the chest strap lagging. The both the Polar M600 and the VA3 made the mistake of not including one, and they pretty quickly had to come up with software fixes. Fortunately, pretty much any device rocking Google's new OS can get involved including the Fossil Sport. I like the idea of Bluetooth headphones + watch, but battery life, and compatibility still seem to be a bit of an issue. Been having problems with my Vivosmart 4 and indoor cycling and hiking with heavy backpack, heartrate not being correct due to low circulation (?). I have built an extensive list of my most frequently asked questions. And of course, it’ll be interesting to see what the price does this fall, especially as we get closer to the holidays. Will they be bringing Pacepro or Ant+ support for power meter? When you do that it’ll walk you through each step, with a timer around the outer edge of the step, and the inside for the pose itself: You can swipe down for a timer that’ll show you a count-down, or just wait for it to buzz for the next step instruction, with it giving the name of the move, and a pie-chart style countdown clock: You can see your heart rate on that clock page above, but also within a regular data field you can set up on a data page: In fact, in the default Yoga data pages you’ll notice both the stress and respiration rate data fields are actually available there – something new on Garmin wearables. If you want an alternative to a chest strap, try a Polar OH1. I am also a Vivoactive owning (although in my case it’s an older VAHR), lifestyle customer customer being targeted by the new VA4. Beyond that, it works just like any other Garmin watch in terms of showing you your running stats in customizable display pages: Let’s start though by looking at GPS accuracy. Purely a case of how much you like $50 for a prettier screen, that’s it. then you can just upload the file (files) to the phone via usb connection. Sony make a pair of Bluetooth headphones (and a non Bluetooth MP3 player version) with 4gb built in. In Garmin’s case for four workout types (Strength, Cardio, Yoga, Pilates) with some 41 different structured workouts between them. It’s here that you’ve got a handful to choose from: Pick one of them, Articulate Your Spine in our case because I’ve been sitting in front of this laptop now for countless hours. I assume they do still do it over ANT+. I currently have an edge 530 bike computer that gets 14 firstbeat metrics (in theory, I feel like I actually haven’t seen all of them). What a bad Elevation on the data set you published. On the flip-side, you’ve now got two different sized units, and things cost more. To start a run I simply tap the upper right button once, and select run from the list: The GPS status and heart rate lock will also show up top: You can also swipe up to choose a specific structured workout and do some ad-hoc intervals: Then, it’s off I went on my run. Good to see Garmin continuing to evolve these and make updates and new workouts. In this case I’ve got it slated up against the Garmin Fenix 6 Pro (with the HRM-DUAL chest strap), the Suunto 9 (paired to the Polar OH1 Plus optical HR armband), and the Venu. The Apple watch has now become an option as I’m going to have buy an old Apple phone to run Omniview as Omniview refuse to do a version for Android/Linux or Windows. So I’m looking to upgrade from my Fitbit versa lite to the Vivoactive 4s – I don’t really care so much for yoga/Pilates, but like that it has Spotify, weather, notifications, can swim/shower with it on, run, bike (elliptical? Reading some other comments I tried out PacePro. helping a lot for my decision upgrading to a garmin watch. This might seem nitpicky, but the low resolution really limits the amount of information that can be displayed on screen, and makes more complex watchfaces look quite ugly. Shoot, yeah I get the same thing. My needs are mainly for a multi sports tracker (I do a little bit of everything, but more frequently swimming) which also helps me track my overall health (e.g., reliable sleep tracking, HR and O2 during the day and sleep, auto tracking of walks etc). Ray, this is an excellent review. You're likely to find more of your pals recording their workouts on Strava than other apps, and that can be much more motivating. And the standby mode was good for 4 to 6 days, I can´t transfer workouts / trainings designed in Garmin Connect online / Mobile to the 4s. It did this on one pass, but not the secondary pass. . and cycling. Folks coming from other Garmin watches will find it far more natural too: The upper right button is the start/stop/confirm/enter type button, whereas the lower right button acts like a back/lap/escape function. It seems like Garmin picks-chooses SW updates based on release timing over quality hierarchy. I was waiting for Swiss Os based smartwatch since last year, it suppose to launch on the end of 2018 and one year later still no sign of any. Released along the Garmin Fenix 6 Series is the Vivoactive 4 Series, while the later is made up of 3 members; Vivoactive 4, 4S and Venu, the former is made up of 6 members; Fenix 6, 6S, 6 Pro, 6S Pro, 6X Pro, 6X Pro Solar.Each of these three features the latest of Garmin technology which includes more activity tracking and battery saver modes features. I’ll likely save that for a rainy day October thing. Not understood why Garmin block it in the older Vivoactives. If price difference is no longer a major consideration, which makes more sense for someone interested in metrics but not really into competition and NEVER gonna run a triathlon. But the battery life really sucks (good for road runners). Next we’ll get into some of the new health features, starting off first with the refreshed health stats. Does it have an altimeter like the VA3m had? – Added Breathwork Exercises (way different than simple breathing stress features) The Vivoactive 4 is a logical evolutionary update of the Vivoactive 3. So connecting Garmin Connect and Strava does give you the best of both worlds. The trend is clear and 1.4″ display is going to be norm next year IMO. This is one of the top straps I use daily for accuracy comparisons (the others Polar H9/H10 and Wahoo TICKR X). Strava offers a standalone app letting you take advantage of those sports tracking features showing time, distance, pace, lap and split times. Are you under the impression that there’s features that would be in these watches that aren’t there simply because there’s a lack of space? following a path)? Thanks in advance! Plus, segment-explore features include on-device navigation as well as showing top segments nearby, so no matter where you are, you can find the best places to ride. Garmin makes the best activity wearables overall, but the Approach series doesn’t have the same features as the vivoactive (no music, no garmin pay, no HR monitor). Ughhh, I see that Garmin are still insisting on having Golf as a baked-in activity that can’t be completely removed. Yes, Ray says the features will trickle up. We’ll dig into that too – this compared against the HRM-DUAL chest strap and the Polar OH1 Plus optical HR sensor. run) and go to it’s settings. I own the Fenix 3 and it is due for a replacement, but I do think the Fenix 6 is too expensive. For more information, go to www.strava.com. Vivoactive 4: €299 & €329 depending on bezels/buttons I really don’t understand music on a watch. Very excited for the special edition First Avenger variant of this watch. The metrics are all computed on the devices so the underlying data isn’t shuffled around behind the scenes. When will you update the Product Comparison Calculator with the latest Garmin watches: VA4 and Venu? Looking at the Garmin specs, they changed the lug size by 2mm each way. Will be interesting to see whether they’re offering consumers too much choice. The lack of a lap button on the VA3 was the single feature that kept me away…for track intervals it’s a must have. Within both there’s the slate of new features primarily related to other workout types like yoga & Pilates with animated step by step workout move instructions, 24×7 respiration rate tracking, estimated sweat loss and finally hydration tracking. Venu: $399, EU Pricing: After my first set I only get 12 reps, so my second set use 90 lbs instead of 100 and get my 15 reps. Can I record those differences from the prescribed workout on the garmin watch and have it write back to connect basically as a lifting log? Thank you to anyone who has read this much . Though, from an optical heart rate standpoint, all the units were very close on the intervals. Thank you, Markus. The metal bezel and Gorilla Glass make this look and feel like a high end watch…definitely a step up from the V3m. Given the unit pairs with ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart sensors, you can use just about anything though. So which one is best value for money, VA4 or VENU??? ... You only need to pay for Strava to get live segments on your head unit. are showing. Same. Updated constantly! Any ideas if Fenix 5 Plus series will get the hydration widget? Heck, don’t say a certain watch doesn’t have the hardware for processing; let the Connect app do the work! Brand new out of box fully charged ,Battery lasted less than 15 hours, Full charge again at 3pm removed any watch face apps 64% at 7am next day, Garmin advised to monitor and contact again ,Really disappointed sending back If I want those and golf tracking, this is my only option. Check out
I have the non-music 645, and while I see it in Garmin Connect (Training > PacePro Pacing Strategies), I get a “No compatible devices found” error if I try to send a strategy to my watch. Seriously, this will change your life. Sorry for the dumb question, probably it was discussed before, does VA4 have ANT+? Edge Explore devices are not Strava Live Segments compatible.
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